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where do you think she is

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and probably not going anywhere soon no

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uh last thing to just touch on of course

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is the death

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epson's death and all the conspiracy

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theories

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there documentary touches on it

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notes that you know michael baden who

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now is coming up again

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in the george floyd case he seems to be

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the guy

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also in the oj case who comes forward

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and

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gives the autopsy report that whoever

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hired him to give

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wants right so epstein's brother hires

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him

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doesn't want it to be suicide presumably

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perhaps because of

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insurance or who knows why and sure

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enough baden comes back and says

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uh probably not suicide even though the

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medical examiner had said suicide

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in the george floyd situation you also

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had the family hiring him

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and he comes up with an autopsy report

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that is different than

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the minnesota health examiner had come

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up with um

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so that seemed to me to be the only

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evidence the documentary presented that

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it was other than suicide what are your

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thoughts

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uh two things i spoke to mark i have

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been speaking to mark epstein since

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epstein was arrested his brother was

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arrested very early on i think the very

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first conversation that i had with

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mark epstein uh which was lengthy uh

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i said to him he said to me uh in

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passing

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you know i haven't i hadn't seen jeff in

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seven years and i said

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why mark why didn't you see your brother

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in seven years and he said

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because i told him that i would see him

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at the morgue

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that was his response when we first

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spoke in july of 2019

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what did he mean by that and i said

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what do you mean by that he said well i

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knew that somebody was going to kill him

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so he said this to me before his brother

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died

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second thing wait i i i have to go on

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and he is sorry to be clear he had said

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that seven years prior

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yes he had told epstein 2012-13

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he was telling his brother someone's

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going to kill you according to

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mark epstein in my conversation with

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mark epstein

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the first week of the first week after

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his brother is arrested

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jeffrey epstein is arrested july 6 2019

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i spoke to mark that week and he said

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this to me

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he was not epstein was not dead or had

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not

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attempted his first suicide yet

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i was also in conversation

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with an active federal agent fbi agent

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and that first week when epson was

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arrested

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the agent said to me quote

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epstein will not

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make it to trial period

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period and i asked the agent what do you

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mean

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and he said figure it out conchita

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on august 10 saturday

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well there was the first suicide attempt

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and then the second okay

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so just to break those two thing

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comments down real quickly

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towels on the inside that to me means

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suicide

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is that what you think the fbi agent was

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saying or is he saying uh homicide

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no homicide no but you could not suicide

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with towels too though

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but there aren't see the thing is that

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the inmates are not allowed towels there

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are loud towels when they take a shower

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three times a week but the towels have

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to stay in the in the you know

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in the remember what hissel he was in

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the shoe unit i don't know if you've

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seen

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and back to what the brother said where

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he tells

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epstein you're going to be killed by

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whom

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well mark epstein certainly didn't know

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i think or

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he certainly didn't tell me but but i

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mean think about it well

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sorry but mark says that i told my

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brother seven years ago you're going to

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be killed

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okay no no no that's not what he killed

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what he said he said

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i told jeff that i would see him at the

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morgue

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and i said what do you mean mark and he

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said well because i knew he would be

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killed

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by whom though do you think well he

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didn't you know

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he didn't say but i mean clearly he

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thought something was swirling around

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that was going to come back absolutely

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and he also said to me

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that jeffrey did not allow him to

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socialize with

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his friends so mark and jeffrey

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did not socialize together mark is a

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married man with children

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and quite different than his brother

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in many in many aspects i think he loves

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his brother very much

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i have a feeling you know i when i talk

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to him i get the feeling that he

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definitely you know loved and admired

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his brother uh

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but they i don't think they were friends

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okay so we have baden saying he thinks

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may have been homicide but other than

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that other than speculation

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i'm not aware of any evidence i mean

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somebody had to have gotten into that

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cell

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and without leaving any sign of

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entry exit et cetera i'm going to tell

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you one thing that i'm sure you already

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know

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but i'm going to hopefully remind you

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three doors from epstein was mexico's

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most notorious cartel leader el chapo

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usman

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he was three doors away from epstein in

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the shoe unit

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it is much too strange that the two

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female lawyers who signed epstein's will

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and testament on

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august 8 2019

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happened to have been el chapo guzman's

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attorneys i spoke to one of them

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she didn't want to comment miss colon

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i spoke to her i called her because to

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me it was just

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shocking epstein had no idea who these

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two female lawyers were

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before he went into mcc

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he had three lawyers he had mr weinberg

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and and the third partner david shone

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claims that he was in this documentary

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david shone also claims

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that he was going to represent epstein

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that epstein had agreed

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that is not the case i have emails from

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telling me the truth of that

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statement so the attorneys that did

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epstein's will

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had also been representing el chapo

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that's what you're saying chapel was one

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by the as you know that's a very

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specialized area of law to do a will and

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testimony so presumably they were doing

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el chapo's will and testament yes but

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but think about it

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epstein could have had anyone don't you

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think he could have said to martin

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weinberg

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marty get me the best will in a state

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attorney you don't think mr weinberg was

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capable

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of bringing in the top willing estate

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attorney yeah okay why did

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would did epstein hire two attorneys he

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didn't know

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female attorneys representing el chapo

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okay but i'm confused so your theory is

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what then

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as to why he would have hired el chapo's

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attorneys well

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i think it goes deeper than that i think

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if epstein wanted to disappear from the

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planet

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there's only one man who could have

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helped him disappear and he was three

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cells cell doors away

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that's what i think and so when you ask

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me about

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how could it have happened on the inside

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you don't think a man like el chapo

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had all the contacts in the world on the

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inside on the outside

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and everywhere around to

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assist someone in murdering

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epstein or helping him

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kill himself or however i mean

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just i don't want you know i don't

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usually believe in conspiracy theories i

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try not to anyway

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but just look at all the uh it's

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suspicious no matter which way it comes

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out

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suicide is suspicious uh and and and

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bizarre and

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very very hard to believe that it could

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possibly happen in those circumstances

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considering he had been on suicide watch

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and had attempted it before who said

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watch and the fact that i was told by a

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federal

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agent only days after he went into jail

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yeah i was told on the phone

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you know i was told point blank he will

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not make it to trial

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period how was he so sure how is his